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A question for lurking YT beauty gurus
It is very obvious that quite a few youtube beauty personalities lurk here and pay close attention to what is being said about them (or their friends) here or they will report the goings on here to their fellow gooroos if something is said about them here. I might even suspect that a good deal of these gooroos are registered here and blend in with their criticizers (I e “haters”). It’s obvious that some post in support of themselves as guests, as well. We know you are not totally ignorant, however neither are we.
So, my question (and I have several, actually) is this –
1. Why do you even come here to read what we say? Do you think you can change the hearts and minds of the people here?
2. Did you ever stop to think that deleting and blocking might bring you more issues than simply silencing your criticizer? Especially over something insanely benign. Some comments left can be rude, but some are not positive or negative.. they are simply a question or a reaction?
3. Are you a masochist and enjoy reading criticism about yourself and enjoy playing the victim card? Hey, some people thrive on discord and drama. They wouldn’t know how to act if it wasn’t in their lives… and I am thinking that youtube beauty gooroos aren’t immune to this condition.
4. Do you think you are entitled to unquestioning adulation and can you see thru the obvious false flattery that you DO get?
5. Do you know when you put yourself out there that the reality of the situation is that not everybody is going to love you and give you unquestioning flattery? They say that if you have nothing nice to say don’t say anything at all, that may be a nice sentiment, but it is not reality.
6. Does obsequious flattery and adulation do it for you?
7. What did you expect from subscribers (and even people that do not agree with you) when you started your beauty channel?
8. What makes you an authority on beauty products and beauty tutorials?
9. Have you ever wondered why some youtube beauty gooroos don’t even have a thread here, yet some (maybe even YOU) do? Perhaps, maybe, and most likely, you are doing something wrong?
10. Do you enjoy when your ‘fans’ break out into fights in the comments under your video? (Which, personally I never could figure that out myself… if I leave a comment for somebody it’s for THEM not the mindless minions that will jump on you for any perceived slight).
11. What do you feel you’re entitled to from subscribers?
12. Do you really think you are doing us all a favor?
13. Some say they go to a channel and they can’t even see a photo of said criticizer… why do you need to see a photo of them? Not everybody wants to put their life out there on the internet for strangers to see…. Not everyone wants to be a youtube beauty gooroo and not all “haters” are ugly (inside or outside).
14. As women, I have heard the theory that we are supposed to support each other… ok, but no matter what? What does this statement even mean? If you are a woman and I am a woman I am supposed to back you up and support you no matter what you do? What if I see you are making an obvious mistake? What if you are plotting to kill children or cute little innocent bunnies? What if you are a thief or a liar? I am supposed to support that? Please explain this one to me because for the most part I think it’s just a cop-out statement, but please enlighten me if it is not.
15. I have to wonder if you’ve never encountered critique or criticism in your lives because that must be quite a comfy, secure bubble you live in. Welcome to the real world. Successful people in the entertainment industry don’t whine and cry about people not liking them… they would never get anywhere if they let themselves be paralyzed by criticism.
16. You do know that by being here, reprimanding members and monitoring what is said here that you are no better than anybody else here, right?
17. If you are an under aged youtube beauty gooroo do your parents know what you are doing?
I suspect that I will get a few anonymous guest flames for these questions. If that floats your boat, go for it. If you can answer these questions with any amount of honesty I would truly love to know what you have to say.
So, my question (and I have several, actually) is this –
1. Why do you even come here to read what we say? Do you think you can change the hearts and minds of the people here?
2. Did you ever stop to think that deleting and blocking might bring you more issues than simply silencing your criticizer? Especially over something insanely benign. Some comments left can be rude, but some are not positive or negative.. they are simply a question or a reaction?
3. Are you a masochist and enjoy reading criticism about yourself and enjoy playing the victim card? Hey, some people thrive on discord and drama. They wouldn’t know how to act if it wasn’t in their lives… and I am thinking that youtube beauty gooroos aren’t immune to this condition.
4. Do you think you are entitled to unquestioning adulation and can you see thru the obvious false flattery that you DO get?
5. Do you know when you put yourself out there that the reality of the situation is that not everybody is going to love you and give you unquestioning flattery? They say that if you have nothing nice to say don’t say anything at all, that may be a nice sentiment, but it is not reality.
6. Does obsequious flattery and adulation do it for you?
7. What did you expect from subscribers (and even people that do not agree with you) when you started your beauty channel?
8. What makes you an authority on beauty products and beauty tutorials?
9. Have you ever wondered why some youtube beauty gooroos don’t even have a thread here, yet some (maybe even YOU) do? Perhaps, maybe, and most likely, you are doing something wrong?
10. Do you enjoy when your ‘fans’ break out into fights in the comments under your video? (Which, personally I never could figure that out myself… if I leave a comment for somebody it’s for THEM not the mindless minions that will jump on you for any perceived slight).
11. What do you feel you’re entitled to from subscribers?
12. Do you really think you are doing us all a favor?
13. Some say they go to a channel and they can’t even see a photo of said criticizer… why do you need to see a photo of them? Not everybody wants to put their life out there on the internet for strangers to see…. Not everyone wants to be a youtube beauty gooroo and not all “haters” are ugly (inside or outside).
14. As women, I have heard the theory that we are supposed to support each other… ok, but no matter what? What does this statement even mean? If you are a woman and I am a woman I am supposed to back you up and support you no matter what you do? What if I see you are making an obvious mistake? What if you are plotting to kill children or cute little innocent bunnies? What if you are a thief or a liar? I am supposed to support that? Please explain this one to me because for the most part I think it’s just a cop-out statement, but please enlighten me if it is not.
15. I have to wonder if you’ve never encountered critique or criticism in your lives because that must be quite a comfy, secure bubble you live in. Welcome to the real world. Successful people in the entertainment industry don’t whine and cry about people not liking them… they would never get anywhere if they let themselves be paralyzed by criticism.
16. You do know that by being here, reprimanding members and monitoring what is said here that you are no better than anybody else here, right?
17. If you are an under aged youtube beauty gooroo do your parents know what you are doing?
I suspect that I will get a few anonymous guest flames for these questions. If that floats your boat, go for it. If you can answer these questions with any amount of honesty I would truly love to know what you have to say.

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Re: A question for lurking YT beauty gurus
i do not think you understand how it feels. It makes you paranoid. And even without visiting this website we know what is being said because it is reflected in our video comments! haters do not stay here, they come to our channel to. And there are some scary people here. They are always looking for information on us, it is a very upsetting and scary thing. So it starts to become better to know whats coming, because it is always going to come, one way or another.
i would be fine if the hate stayed on the hate site. but it never does. they come to our channels to get what they 'need' to continue hating. i do not delete comments that are just saying 'your ugly' 'this video sucked' etc. i delete comments that are gross, threats, information about me, and aggressive comments
i would be fine if the hate stayed on the hate site. but it never does. they come to our channels to get what they 'need' to continue hating. i do not delete comments that are just saying 'your ugly' 'this video sucked' etc. i delete comments that are gross, threats, information about me, and aggressive comments
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Re: A question for lurking YT beauty gurus
and as for the comment about us needing compliments etc. no. thats not why many of us make videos. some of us enjoy it! it is a creative way to express yourself. i love seeing something new and saying wow i could do a video on it. i love making videos in great quality. i love making friends with other youtubers! its fun! and the fun does beat the bad. There is a dark side, the dark side exists here. so you can do 2 things, quit, or be prepared for it. so i read this forum, i know whats being said, whats coming, and i control it for my own safety. why? not because i enjoy reading these hateful things! but because i have to, if i want to keep making videos and having fun , i need to know what is being said to be safe
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Thanks for the civil answer, but I'm confused... "Safety?" How did you handle safety issues before this site came to be?
Are there murderers here? Most of the info found on the web about a person was already there on the internet to be found in the first place, was it not? I also have seen the very fellow youtubers some call friends turn on them and sell them out (yep, it has happened).
Are there murderers here? Most of the info found on the web about a person was already there on the internet to be found in the first place, was it not? I also have seen the very fellow youtubers some call friends turn on them and sell them out (yep, it has happened).

Wikkid- Posts: 1158
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Re: A question for lurking YT beauty gurus
Wikkid wrote:It is very obvious that quite a few youtube beauty personalities lurk here and pay close attention to what is being said about them (or their friends) here or they will report the goings on here to their fellow gooroos if something is said about them here. I might even suspect that a good deal of these gooroos are registered here and blend in with their criticizers (I e “haters”). It’s obvious that some post in support of themselves as guests, as well. We know you are not totally ignorant, however neither are we.
So, my question (and I have several, actually) is this –
1. Why do you even come here to read what we say? Do you think you can change the hearts and minds of the people here?
2. Did you ever stop to think that deleting and blocking might bring you more issues than simply silencing your criticizer? Especially over something insanely benign. Some comments left can be rude, but some are not positive or negative.. they are simply a question or a reaction?
3. Are you a masochist and enjoy reading criticism about yourself and enjoy playing the victim card? Hey, some people thrive on discord and drama. They wouldn’t know how to act if it wasn’t in their lives… and I am thinking that youtube beauty gooroos aren’t immune to this condition.
4. Do you think you are entitled to unquestioning adulation and can you see thru the obvious false flattery that you DO get?
5. Do you know when you put yourself out there that the reality of the situation is that not everybody is going to love you and give you unquestioning flattery? They say that if you have nothing nice to say don’t say anything at all, that may be a nice sentiment, but it is not reality.
6. Does obsequious flattery and adulation do it for you?
7. What did you expect from subscribers (and even people that do not agree with you) when you started your beauty channel?
8. What makes you an authority on beauty products and beauty tutorials?
9. Have you ever wondered why some youtube beauty gooroos don’t even have a thread here, yet some (maybe even YOU) do? Perhaps, maybe, and most likely, you are doing something wrong?
10. Do you enjoy when your ‘fans’ break out into fights in the comments under your video? (Which, personally I never could figure that out myself… if I leave a comment for somebody it’s for THEM not the mindless minions that will jump on you for any perceived slight).
11. What do you feel you’re entitled to from subscribers?
12. Do you really think you are doing us all a favor?
13. Some say they go to a channel and they can’t even see a photo of said criticizer… why do you need to see a photo of them? Not everybody wants to put their life out there on the internet for strangers to see…. Not everyone wants to be a youtube beauty gooroo and not all “haters” are ugly (inside or outside).
14. As women, I have heard the theory that we are supposed to support each other… ok, but no matter what? What does this statement even mean? If you are a woman and I am a woman I am supposed to back you up and support you no matter what you do? What if I see you are making an obvious mistake? What if you are plotting to kill children or cute little innocent bunnies? What if you are a thief or a liar? I am supposed to support that? Please explain this one to me because for the most part I think it’s just a cop-out statement, but please enlighten me if it is not.
15. I have to wonder if you’ve never encountered critique or criticism in your lives because that must be quite a comfy, secure bubble you live in. Welcome to the real world. Successful people in the entertainment industry don’t whine and cry about people not liking them… they would never get anywhere if they let themselves be paralyzed by criticism.
16. You do know that by being here, reprimanding members and monitoring what is said here that you are no better than anybody else here, right?
17. If you are an under aged youtube beauty gooroo do your parents know what you are doing?
I suspect that I will get a few anonymous guest flames for these questions. If that floats your boat, go for it. If you can answer these questions with any amount of honesty I would truly love to know what you have to say.
*applauds slowly....and then gives standing ovations* You have officially became my favourite person on this site!!!!

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1. Why do you even come here to read what we say? Do you think you can change the hearts and minds of the people here?
-- Sadly most of us know we cant change your minds and you are going to keep talking crap about us no matter what we say or try to do. When you have a hate thread on this forum... its sucks.... but its human nature to be curious what people have to say..... and to be honest, i actually come here to see what i can improve on in my videos. If im talking about one thing too much and its annoying this is the best place to find out. I do want to make my videos as best as i can. Even though there are really hurtful things on here... and things are said about me that i CANNOT change (looks, etc) thats not why i come here. Its mean and it hurts all of our feelings whether we say it or not.
2. Did you ever stop to think that deleting and blocking might bring you more issues than simply silencing your criticizer? Especially over something insanely benign. Some comments left can be rude, but some are not positive or negative.. they are simply a question or a reaction?
-- Some gurus block for stupid reasons and some dont. some only block when someone says something seriously mean rude and hurtful. it totally depends on the person. WHICH IS FINE. its our channel and we can choose to remove whatever we feel is hurtful on our channels...and some are more sensitive than others.... just accept that. some people may only want their channel to be a positive place for beauty disscussion (and NO that doesnt mean just postive comments about us....) We just dont want to deal with any people that bring us down. Understand that before you make a negative comment.... IT MIGHT BE BLOCKED so be ready for it.... even if you personally feel like its just constructive criticism.
3. Are you a masochist and enjoy reading criticism about yourself and enjoy playing the victim card? Hey, some people thrive on discord and drama. They wouldn’t know how to act if it wasn’t in their lives… and I am thinking that youtube beauty gooroos aren’t immune to this condition.
--Um no. this is just a stupid question. lol. the beauty community would be alot better of a place without all this stupid hateful drama... thats all there is to it, and we all feel that way. we dont NEED it in out lives for any reason. no one does.
4. Do you think you are entitled to unquestioning adulation and can you see thru the obvious false flattery that you DO get?
--really... we dont think to much of whether its fake or real. if we looked so deeply into every single comment we recieve we would drive ourselves crazy.
5. Do you know when you put yourself out there that the reality of the situation is that not everybody is going to love you and give you unquestioning flattery? They say that if you have nothing nice to say don’t say anything at all, that may be a nice sentiment, but it is not reality.
--Obviously. But that doesnt mean we cant push for positivity. we dont just want flattery. thats not why we came on youtube. we came on youtube to talk about our passion which is makeup and discuss it with other people. I didnt start my channel just to get people to tell me im pretty and blah blah..... thats stupid. But i dont think its wrong to stand up against online bullying. just because you have the "right" to be mean to us because we put ourselves out there doesnt mean its the right thing to do.
6. Does obsequious flattery and adulation do it for you?
--none of us ever said that was out goal in starting a channel. we arent begging for any type of adulation or flattery. we are doing tutorials and reviews on makeup because thats what we like to do and its interesting to us. thats it.
7. What did you expect from subscribers (and even people that do not agree with you) when you started your beauty channel?
--All i wanted was to talk and teach about makeup. I dont expect anything from my subscribers. its their choice to subscribe and watch us.
8. What makes you an authority on beauty products and beauty tutorials?
--NONE of us ever said we know EVERYTHING about makeup and we are the authority. please find me a video of one guru that says "im the authority when it comes to beauty products and makeup tutorials... and i know more than anyone else" lol. that is rediculous. all of us know we arent the authority.... and most of us dont even like the term guru... but its just kind of the catagory we have fallen into. Like i said, we just LIKE to do tutorials... but that doesnt mean any of us are better than the next. Im sure 99% of my subscribers could throw a video online talking about why and why not they like a product.
9. Have you ever wondered why some youtube beauty gooroos don’t even have a thread here, yet some (maybe even YOU) do? Perhaps, maybe, and most likely, you are doing something wrong?
--like i said in the first answer. that is partly the reason why us "gooroos" (i dont know why you are spelling it like that" come on here. to find out what we can do to be better with making videos. BUT.... doing something wrong doesnt include "she is fat" "she is ugly" "she should get a nose job" type of comments. those are just rude and they are ALL OVER this board and in our comments.
10. Do you enjoy when your ‘fans’ break out into fights in the comments under your video? (Which, personally I never could figure that out myself… if I leave a comment for somebody it’s for THEM not the mindless minions that will jump on you for any perceived slight).
--none of us said we like when our subs break out in fights! we actually are quite annoyed by it...
11. What do you feel you’re entitled to from subscribers?
--nothing really. they can choose to watch or not watch.
12. Do you really think you are doing us all a favor?
--We are doing some a favor but not everyone....which is FINE...we dont expect to. we do get msg's from people telling us that we have helped them out and stuff..... so dont talk for everyone. just because we arent helping you and everyone out there doesnt mean we arent helping some.
13. Some say they go to a channel and they can’t even see a photo of said criticizer… why do you need to see a photo of them? Not everybody wants to put their life out there on the internet for strangers to see…. --Not everyone wants to be a youtube beauty gooroo and not all “haters” are ugly (inside or outside).
-- its easier to post really mean comments without your face plastered all over your channel. simple as that. if you are annonymous you can say whatever the hell you want and no one will know its you. also... we arent saying all haters are ugly (inside or out) but if you are able to just randomly go on someones channel and talk a bunch of crap to them... and come on here and do the same constantly... you arent a very pretty person on the inside... there are different kinds of hate comments...... and some are straight up wrong and ruthless....
14. As women, I have heard the theory that we are supposed to support each other… ok, but no matter what? What does this statement even mean? If you are a woman and I am a woman I am supposed to back you up and support you no matter what you do? What if I see you are making an obvious mistake? What if you are plotting to kill children or cute little innocent bunnies? What if you are a thief or a liar? I am supposed to support that? Please explain this one to me because for the most part I think it’s just a cop-out statement, but please enlighten me if it is not.
-- applying the wrong color eyeshadow to the crease is a little different than killing bunnies and kitties. First of all... makeup is a creative outlet.. there isnt a right and wrong way to be creative and experiment with makeup. people are practicing... some people are getting better with their skills and some people are great with their skills... but that doesnt mean you need to be straight up horrible and mean to them and say really mean things. also.... reviews etc are our personal opinions on products. thats it... OPINIONS. our channels arent out there to hurt anyone... but you are out there to hurt us by being mean. NOW... if i have to explain how killing bunnies and children in youtube videos differs from this.. then you guys are slower than i thought.
15. I have to wonder if you’ve never encountered critique or criticism in your lives because that must be quite a comfy, secure bubble you live in. Welcome to the real world. Successful people in the entertainment industry don’t whine and cry about people not liking them… they would never get anywhere if they let themselves be paralyzed by criticism.
--alot of you think we dont take constructive criticism from you guys but you are wrong. we dont delete every single comment like this like you think we do.
16. You do know that by being here, reprimanding members and monitoring what is said here that you are no better than anybody else here, right?
-- its very different. we are sticking up for positivity. we arent here to tear you down... we dont even know you. But sticking up for online bullying and trying to make it stop is completely different.
17. If you are an under aged youtube beauty gooroo do your parents know what you are doing?
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^^curious as to who that is.

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Mel_Vegas wrote:^^curious as to who that is.
me 2

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I think this forum gives great examples of how NOT TO act if you are a youtuber, if people would actually take our suggestions and listen to what we dislike about gurus, they would actually improve their channels and possibly gain more respect from their audience. Instead of saying, guru gossip is a horrible place, blah blah blah, why not take some of the positive out of it? We can all improve.

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@hereUgo I would've appreciated your post more if you had answered number 14 properly, you didn't address the issue and insulted us at the end. Plus calling us slow isn't exactly sticking up for positivity like you claim to do in number 16.

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@ Smashbox^^^ i completely agree
I believe that is these "GURUS" really cared about their subscribers and improving themselves they would take the criticism instead of saying that Guru Gossip is a bad place because most of the things we write is constructive criticism. They have to know that in the real would outside of YouTube people are constantly judging you, criticizing you, and trying to bring you down, stuff on here may never compare to what the real world and spotlight can possess. I know this is true because i may be young but it doesn’t mean I DON'T know what the real world is like and how cruel it is and we have to develop a hard shell and not let it affect us and follow our Inner Guide.
I believe that is these "GURUS" really cared about their subscribers and improving themselves they would take the criticism instead of saying that Guru Gossip is a bad place because most of the things we write is constructive criticism. They have to know that in the real would outside of YouTube people are constantly judging you, criticizing you, and trying to bring you down, stuff on here may never compare to what the real world and spotlight can possess. I know this is true because i may be young but it doesn’t mean I DON'T know what the real world is like and how cruel it is and we have to develop a hard shell and not let it affect us and follow our Inner Guide.

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~~♥all of the above♥~~ wrote:@ Smashbox^^^ i completely agree
I believe that is these "GURUS" really cared about their subscribers and improving themselves they would take the criticism instead of saying that Guru Gossip is a bad place because most of the things we write is constructive criticism. They have to know that in the real would outside of YouTube people are constantly judging you, criticizing you, and trying to bring you down, stuff on here may never compare to what the real world and spotlight can possess. I know this is true because i may be young but it doesn’t mean I DON'T know what the real world is like and how cruel it is and we have to develop a hard shell and not let it affect us and follow our Inner Guide.
Exactly, youtubers need to realize that we are not judging them, but the persona that they have created on youtube. They shouldn't take it so personally, they CHOSE to make youtube videos, people will judge them, just human nature. I am betting many of the youtube guru that get "hate" here are actually nice, reasonable people in real life even if they do appear like sponsored video pushing fakes on youtube.

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Smashthebox wrote:~~♥all of the above♥~~ wrote:@ Smashbox^^^ i completely agree
I believe that is these "GURUS" really cared about their subscribers and improving themselves they would take the criticism instead of saying that Guru Gossip is a bad place because most of the things we write is constructive criticism. They have to know that in the real would outside of YouTube people are constantly judging you, criticizing you, and trying to bring you down, stuff on here may never compare to what the real world and spotlight can possess. I know this is true because i may be young but it doesn’t mean I DON'T know what the real world is like and how cruel it is and we have to develop a hard shell and not let it affect us and follow our Inner Guide.
Exactly, youtubers need to realize that we are not judging them, but the persona that they have created on youtube. They shouldn't take it so personally, they CHOSE to make youtube videos, people will judge them, just human nature. I am betting many of the youtube guru that get "hate" here are actually nice, reasonable people in real life even if they do appear like sponsored video pushing fakes on youtube.![]()
Hopefully they are nice people because I think the sponsored victim act is a fake, I believe so.

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I'll take the bait
(I know that half of these questions are meant to be rhetorical, and this whole thing is a joke, but I think these are really good questions. Maybe somebody should try to get a "Hater Tag" going around on youtube, where "gurus" answer these questions. I would love to see some of the more obnoxious girls avoid answering these questions directly, haha.)
Before I answer the q's, I guess it bears mentioning that I'm a semi-popular beauty vlogger...I've made partner, but I have less than 50,000 subscribers. And I don't think I'm too vain...no more than the average teenager is, at least. But I like answering questions (plus I'm quite fond of you guys, because I always laugh a ton about the things you say about various obnoxious youtubers), so here goes.
(Also, I've never posted before, but I am guilty of obsessively reading every little thing that's said about me, so I guess I qualify as pathetic enough to answer this? haha.)
1. Why do you even come here to read what we say? Do you think you can change the hearts and minds of the people here?
I know that people who hate me probably won't ever love me. But I do like reading some of the things that people have said annoy them. I feel like, if I know why people don't like my videos, I can try to improve whatever isn't good about my videos. Obviously, I'd never want to change my personality to suit a few disgruntled people, but if people think my video quality sucks, or that I touch my hair too much, I can change that fairly easily and hopefully have better videos.
Also, there's an element of being really, really curious about what people are saying about me. I mean, imagine that there was an entire website that talked about you and your friends. You'd want to read it, right?
2. Did you ever stop to think that deleting and blocking might bring you more issues than simply silencing your criticizer? Especially over something insanely benign. Some comments left can be rude, but some are not positive or negative.. they are simply a question or a reaction?
I don't know that I completely understand this question, but I'll try to answer it. Lately I've been trying to only delete and block people who are outright hateful in their comments (like using racial slurs, insulting a religion, etc.). I'm trying to answer comments like "No offense, but I think your hair looks really boring parted in the middle" with a polite response, but, to be completely honest, it's really hard. If one of my friends said that to me, I'd probably be vaguely insulted, but I'd shrug it off. If a stranger in real life said it, I'd be pissed. I'm trying to just shrug off youtube comments, but I always think about how nobody in real life would say those comments to my face. And I don't know...I guess I feel like if you wouldn't say something to someone's face, you shouldn't say it online either. But, like I said, I'm trying to be better about just saying something like "Thanks, but if I part my hair on the side it flies in my face" rather than lashing out and blocking said person.
3. Are you a masochist and enjoy reading criticism about yourself and enjoy playing the victim card? Hey, some people thrive on discord and drama. They wouldn’t know how to act if it wasn’t in their lives… and I am thinking that youtube beauty gooroos aren’t immune to this condition.
I don't doubt that some youtubers absolutely love to be wrapped up in drama. I don't like drama, though...at school, on youtube, on here, etc. But yeah, some girls definitely start drama just because they love it.
4. Do you think you are entitled to unquestioning adulation and can you see thru the obvious false flattery that you DO get?
Well, when someone flatters me, I don't look at it and automatically think, "Oh, they're not being truthful." I take compliments for what they are: compliments. If someone says "You have the coolest room and I love your bedspread," I'm not going to reply saying "Stop being so fake with your compliments!" But, no, I don't think that I (or anyone) is entitled to flattery. I act like myself, decorate my room how I want to, wear the things that I like, wear makeup I like, do my hair how I love, etc. If people like it, great. I'm honored that so many people have complimented me...it's cool to know that so many people share my same tastes. But if people don't like it, there's nothing wrong with them -- we just have different tastes.
5. Do you know when you put yourself out there that the reality of the situation is that not everybody is going to love you and give you unquestioning flattery? They say that if you have nothing nice to say don’t say anything at all, that may be a nice sentiment, but it is not reality.
I do know that. Shocker, right? I do feel like some of the rude comments on youtube are taking "constructive criticism" a little too far, though. I love when people point out things I'm doing wrong; I'm a teenager and still learning. But when somebody says something like "No offense, but your eyes are ugly", it's just pointless, isn't it? I don't take it too hard, but the only intention in telling me that is to make me feel bad. But yeah, I know that by putting myself on youtube I'm opening myself up to rude comments. I just feel like some people are rude just for the sake of being rude. Which is a bit of a waste of time, no?
6. Does obsequious flattery and adulation do it for you?
I get incredibly turned on when I think about all of my subscribers, who look up to me like Christians look up to Jesus. (I'm kidding of course. I'm not going to bother with this question, since it's pretty obviously rhetorical, but it did make me laugh a lot.)
7. What did you expect from subscribers (and even people that do not agree with you) when you started your beauty channel?
Not much. I didn't start my channel making beauty videos...I was just a lonely girl who made videos about her life. I started doing videos about beauty because people asked me to do them. I guess when I started on youtube I just assumed that a few people would watch my videos and enjoy them. Since the first beauty videos I made were purely requests, I just sort of thought about whoever requested the video, and hoped it would be helpful to them. I never really thought too deeply about whether or not subscribers would adore my videos.
8. What makes you an authority on beauty products and beauty tutorials?
This reminded me of the Office (US, not UK) where Toby is leaving and Michael asks him "What gives you the right?" and "Who do you think you are?" lol. But anyway...I make my videos primarily for high schoolers. I think I'm a bit better at makeup than the average high schooler...I've practiced a lot, and most of my friends usually compliment me on my makeup. I absolutely don't have the authority to tell adult makeup artists which products or techniques to use, but I do think that I know enough about makeup to tell a teenager how to do a flirty makeup look. No, I'm not a makeup artist, but that doesn't mean that I can't teach girls how to correctly apply eyeshadow.
And with beauty products...I talk about the things that I like. I try not to make too many recommendations for people with different skin (oily vs dry) than me, but I think that, at the very least, I have the right to say, "I have oily skin and this works for me. If you have oily skin, it might work well for you, too." Keep in mind that I don't tell people which product to buy...it's not like I work at Sephora, and I'm giving specific product recommendations to specific people. I'm just talking about products that I like and that have worked for me. If people choose to buy them, that's great. (I don't do sponsored videos, but I don't think it takes a genius to be able to say that an eyeshadow is pigmented or a face product is nice.)
9. Have you ever wondered why some youtube beauty gooroos don’t even have a thread here, yet some (maybe even YOU) do? Perhaps, maybe, and most likely, you are doing something wrong?
I know I'm doing things wrong. But the great thing about youtube is that it's free to watch videos and it's free to subscribe to a "guru" (I hate that term). If I'm doing a ton of things wrong, people can unsubscribe from my videos. I don't force people to watch what I do. I think that I do what I do fairly well -- enough people seem to enjoy my videos. My thread on here is fairly small, and I agree with most of what's said in the thread...I'm trying to work on some of the criticisms that were brought up in that thread.
I guess what I'm saying is, yes, I know I'm not perfect and nobody else is either. I'm trying to make the best videos I can, but people don't need to watch them if they don't want to.
10. Do you enjoy when your ‘fans’ break out into fights in the comments under your video? (Which, personally I never could figure that out myself… if I leave a comment for somebody it’s for THEM not the mindless minions that will jump on you for any perceived slight).
I always have thought that's weird. I don't need other people to come to my defense...I appreciate all of the subscribers who stand up for me, but it's not necessary. But I'm usually pretty quick to respond to a rude comment, and I find that once I've responded to somebody, noone else feels the need to jump down said person's throat anymore.
11. What do you feel you’re entitled to from subscribers?
I feel as though my subscribers should be at least mildly involved in my channel...but that's something that my subscribers are entitled to, not me. I do sort of expect that my subscribers will watch at least some (not all, but some) of my videos, comment, participate in giveaways, etc. But in no way do I think that my subscribers should always compliment me, stand up for me, etc. If I do something stupid or unethical, I absolutely deserve to be called out on it, and I don't expect my subscribers to come to my rescue.
12. Do you really think you are doing us all a favor?
No. But I don't ever comment here, so it's not like I'm really sticking up for anyone or anything.
13. Some say they go to a channel and they can’t even see a photo of said criticizer… why do you need to see a photo of them? Not everybody wants to put their life out there on the internet for strangers to see…. Not everyone wants to be a youtube beauty gooroo and not all “haters” are ugly (inside or outside).
This is going to take a bit before I get to the point, but:
I make makeup videos because having cute makeup can make girls feel drastically more confident. I make fashion and hair videos for the same reason...plus I find that my hair and clothing is a great way to express myself. I don't make the videos I make because I think beauty is incredibly important. One of my role models is Tavi (the style rookie...it's a blog) because, even though she's not a perfect 10 in terms of beauty, she has incredible confidence. And she's intentionally fighting against typical beauty standards...making a stand that you don't have to have white skin, straight blonde hair, and perfect teeth to be "pretty". Another one of my role models is Janelle Monae, because she doesn't dress or do her hair like "typical girls" do. Basically, my role models are people who are themselves, even if that means they don't look like a stereotypically beautiful girl.
So when somebody criticizes one of my physical features, but doesn't have a picture of themselves or videos of themselves up, I just think it's a bit sad. I have the confidence to put myself on youtube -- weird hair, crooked teeth, dark skin (I love my skin, but it's not what people think of as pretty), flat chest and all. I'm not the typical definition of beauty, but I'm confident enough to put myself out there. I don't care if my critics are morbidly obese and look like Hagrid from Harry Potter or if they're completely gorgeous. But I do wish that people had the courage to present themselves with confidence. (It just seems a bit sad to criticize someone's looks when you don't have the confidence to put even a small picture of yourself up.)
But, after all that, I don't really care that much, to be honest. I do wish that people had the confidence to make videos/put pictures of themselves up, because as long as someone acts like themselves, they'll be cool or pretty or unique or whatever in a lot of people's eyes.
14. As women, I have heard the theory that we are supposed to support each other… ok, but no matter what? What does this statement even mean? If you are a woman and I am a woman I am supposed to back you up and support you no matter what you do? What if I see you are making an obvious mistake? What if you are plotting to kill children or cute little innocent bunnies? What if you are a thief or a liar? I am supposed to support that? Please explain this one to me because for the most part I think it’s just a cop-out statement, but please enlighten me if it is not.
I think it's weird that women are expected to always support each other, but I do think there's something to be said for simple kindness. I agree that you shouldn't support a child-killer, but I think it's overkill to completely tear apart someone because they can't apply eyeshadow correctly. Criticism is one thing, but pure meanness is another.
15. I have to wonder if you’ve never encountered critique or criticism in your lives because that must be quite a comfy, secure bubble you live in. Welcome to the real world. Successful people in the entertainment industry don’t whine and cry about people not liking them… they would never get anywhere if they let themselves be paralyzed by criticism.
I have been criticized before. And I can assure you that I don't live in a complete bubble...I've encountered hardship and loss and difficulties. I don't expect everyone to love me all of the time. But I am optimistic enough to believe that all people, at their core, are good. And I'm optimistic enough to think that, if people held their tongues once in a while, the world would be a bit of a nicer place.
(I'm talking more about meanness than constructive criticism, for what it's worth.)
16. You do know that by being here, reprimanding members and monitoring what is said here that you are no better than anybody else here, right?
I know. I will say, though, that I think it's weird when people spend literally hours online on a forum like this. I come online once in awhile to see what's being said about me, and have spent a bit more time on here today because I'm sick. But I think it's weird when I see people with hundreds of posts...it just seems like some people need a better hobby. (Try making youtube videos! They don't have to be beauty related. Or you could take up a sport, or start reading a series of books, or adopt a pet, or even get into a new tv series. There's just so much to do in this fantastic world that it seems silly to spend an hour a day spending it on here. But if you like it, more power to you
17. If you are an under aged youtube beauty gooroo do your parents know what you are doing?
Not really, but I'm sort of a unique case. My (single) mom travels a lot for business, so I'm on my own a ton. She knows that I make youtube videos about fashion and makeup, but I don't think she realizes how many subscribers I have. (Not that I have a ton, but I think she imagines 4 or 5 people watching my videos, which isn't accurate.) But, like I said, I have a lot more independence than most people my age (i.e., alone for a few weeks at a time, etc.). I think that if I were living in a house with both my parents, who were around a lot, I would probably be able to share more of what I was doing with them. (Also, I'm not 13 or 14...I'll be 18 fairly soon. So that probably affects things too.)
Before I answer the q's, I guess it bears mentioning that I'm a semi-popular beauty vlogger...I've made partner, but I have less than 50,000 subscribers. And I don't think I'm too vain...no more than the average teenager is, at least. But I like answering questions (plus I'm quite fond of you guys, because I always laugh a ton about the things you say about various obnoxious youtubers), so here goes.
(Also, I've never posted before, but I am guilty of obsessively reading every little thing that's said about me, so I guess I qualify as pathetic enough to answer this? haha.)
1. Why do you even come here to read what we say? Do you think you can change the hearts and minds of the people here?
I know that people who hate me probably won't ever love me. But I do like reading some of the things that people have said annoy them. I feel like, if I know why people don't like my videos, I can try to improve whatever isn't good about my videos. Obviously, I'd never want to change my personality to suit a few disgruntled people, but if people think my video quality sucks, or that I touch my hair too much, I can change that fairly easily and hopefully have better videos.
Also, there's an element of being really, really curious about what people are saying about me. I mean, imagine that there was an entire website that talked about you and your friends. You'd want to read it, right?
2. Did you ever stop to think that deleting and blocking might bring you more issues than simply silencing your criticizer? Especially over something insanely benign. Some comments left can be rude, but some are not positive or negative.. they are simply a question or a reaction?
I don't know that I completely understand this question, but I'll try to answer it. Lately I've been trying to only delete and block people who are outright hateful in their comments (like using racial slurs, insulting a religion, etc.). I'm trying to answer comments like "No offense, but I think your hair looks really boring parted in the middle" with a polite response, but, to be completely honest, it's really hard. If one of my friends said that to me, I'd probably be vaguely insulted, but I'd shrug it off. If a stranger in real life said it, I'd be pissed. I'm trying to just shrug off youtube comments, but I always think about how nobody in real life would say those comments to my face. And I don't know...I guess I feel like if you wouldn't say something to someone's face, you shouldn't say it online either. But, like I said, I'm trying to be better about just saying something like "Thanks, but if I part my hair on the side it flies in my face" rather than lashing out and blocking said person.
3. Are you a masochist and enjoy reading criticism about yourself and enjoy playing the victim card? Hey, some people thrive on discord and drama. They wouldn’t know how to act if it wasn’t in their lives… and I am thinking that youtube beauty gooroos aren’t immune to this condition.
I don't doubt that some youtubers absolutely love to be wrapped up in drama. I don't like drama, though...at school, on youtube, on here, etc. But yeah, some girls definitely start drama just because they love it.
4. Do you think you are entitled to unquestioning adulation and can you see thru the obvious false flattery that you DO get?
Well, when someone flatters me, I don't look at it and automatically think, "Oh, they're not being truthful." I take compliments for what they are: compliments. If someone says "You have the coolest room and I love your bedspread," I'm not going to reply saying "Stop being so fake with your compliments!" But, no, I don't think that I (or anyone) is entitled to flattery. I act like myself, decorate my room how I want to, wear the things that I like, wear makeup I like, do my hair how I love, etc. If people like it, great. I'm honored that so many people have complimented me...it's cool to know that so many people share my same tastes. But if people don't like it, there's nothing wrong with them -- we just have different tastes.
5. Do you know when you put yourself out there that the reality of the situation is that not everybody is going to love you and give you unquestioning flattery? They say that if you have nothing nice to say don’t say anything at all, that may be a nice sentiment, but it is not reality.
I do know that. Shocker, right? I do feel like some of the rude comments on youtube are taking "constructive criticism" a little too far, though. I love when people point out things I'm doing wrong; I'm a teenager and still learning. But when somebody says something like "No offense, but your eyes are ugly", it's just pointless, isn't it? I don't take it too hard, but the only intention in telling me that is to make me feel bad. But yeah, I know that by putting myself on youtube I'm opening myself up to rude comments. I just feel like some people are rude just for the sake of being rude. Which is a bit of a waste of time, no?
6. Does obsequious flattery and adulation do it for you?
I get incredibly turned on when I think about all of my subscribers, who look up to me like Christians look up to Jesus. (I'm kidding of course. I'm not going to bother with this question, since it's pretty obviously rhetorical, but it did make me laugh a lot.)
7. What did you expect from subscribers (and even people that do not agree with you) when you started your beauty channel?
Not much. I didn't start my channel making beauty videos...I was just a lonely girl who made videos about her life. I started doing videos about beauty because people asked me to do them. I guess when I started on youtube I just assumed that a few people would watch my videos and enjoy them. Since the first beauty videos I made were purely requests, I just sort of thought about whoever requested the video, and hoped it would be helpful to them. I never really thought too deeply about whether or not subscribers would adore my videos.
8. What makes you an authority on beauty products and beauty tutorials?
This reminded me of the Office (US, not UK) where Toby is leaving and Michael asks him "What gives you the right?" and "Who do you think you are?" lol. But anyway...I make my videos primarily for high schoolers. I think I'm a bit better at makeup than the average high schooler...I've practiced a lot, and most of my friends usually compliment me on my makeup. I absolutely don't have the authority to tell adult makeup artists which products or techniques to use, but I do think that I know enough about makeup to tell a teenager how to do a flirty makeup look. No, I'm not a makeup artist, but that doesn't mean that I can't teach girls how to correctly apply eyeshadow.
And with beauty products...I talk about the things that I like. I try not to make too many recommendations for people with different skin (oily vs dry) than me, but I think that, at the very least, I have the right to say, "I have oily skin and this works for me. If you have oily skin, it might work well for you, too." Keep in mind that I don't tell people which product to buy...it's not like I work at Sephora, and I'm giving specific product recommendations to specific people. I'm just talking about products that I like and that have worked for me. If people choose to buy them, that's great. (I don't do sponsored videos, but I don't think it takes a genius to be able to say that an eyeshadow is pigmented or a face product is nice.)
9. Have you ever wondered why some youtube beauty gooroos don’t even have a thread here, yet some (maybe even YOU) do? Perhaps, maybe, and most likely, you are doing something wrong?
I know I'm doing things wrong. But the great thing about youtube is that it's free to watch videos and it's free to subscribe to a "guru" (I hate that term). If I'm doing a ton of things wrong, people can unsubscribe from my videos. I don't force people to watch what I do. I think that I do what I do fairly well -- enough people seem to enjoy my videos. My thread on here is fairly small, and I agree with most of what's said in the thread...I'm trying to work on some of the criticisms that were brought up in that thread.
I guess what I'm saying is, yes, I know I'm not perfect and nobody else is either. I'm trying to make the best videos I can, but people don't need to watch them if they don't want to.
10. Do you enjoy when your ‘fans’ break out into fights in the comments under your video? (Which, personally I never could figure that out myself… if I leave a comment for somebody it’s for THEM not the mindless minions that will jump on you for any perceived slight).
I always have thought that's weird. I don't need other people to come to my defense...I appreciate all of the subscribers who stand up for me, but it's not necessary. But I'm usually pretty quick to respond to a rude comment, and I find that once I've responded to somebody, noone else feels the need to jump down said person's throat anymore.
11. What do you feel you’re entitled to from subscribers?
I feel as though my subscribers should be at least mildly involved in my channel...but that's something that my subscribers are entitled to, not me. I do sort of expect that my subscribers will watch at least some (not all, but some) of my videos, comment, participate in giveaways, etc. But in no way do I think that my subscribers should always compliment me, stand up for me, etc. If I do something stupid or unethical, I absolutely deserve to be called out on it, and I don't expect my subscribers to come to my rescue.
12. Do you really think you are doing us all a favor?
No. But I don't ever comment here, so it's not like I'm really sticking up for anyone or anything.
13. Some say they go to a channel and they can’t even see a photo of said criticizer… why do you need to see a photo of them? Not everybody wants to put their life out there on the internet for strangers to see…. Not everyone wants to be a youtube beauty gooroo and not all “haters” are ugly (inside or outside).
This is going to take a bit before I get to the point, but:
I make makeup videos because having cute makeup can make girls feel drastically more confident. I make fashion and hair videos for the same reason...plus I find that my hair and clothing is a great way to express myself. I don't make the videos I make because I think beauty is incredibly important. One of my role models is Tavi (the style rookie...it's a blog) because, even though she's not a perfect 10 in terms of beauty, she has incredible confidence. And she's intentionally fighting against typical beauty standards...making a stand that you don't have to have white skin, straight blonde hair, and perfect teeth to be "pretty". Another one of my role models is Janelle Monae, because she doesn't dress or do her hair like "typical girls" do. Basically, my role models are people who are themselves, even if that means they don't look like a stereotypically beautiful girl.
So when somebody criticizes one of my physical features, but doesn't have a picture of themselves or videos of themselves up, I just think it's a bit sad. I have the confidence to put myself on youtube -- weird hair, crooked teeth, dark skin (I love my skin, but it's not what people think of as pretty), flat chest and all. I'm not the typical definition of beauty, but I'm confident enough to put myself out there. I don't care if my critics are morbidly obese and look like Hagrid from Harry Potter or if they're completely gorgeous. But I do wish that people had the courage to present themselves with confidence. (It just seems a bit sad to criticize someone's looks when you don't have the confidence to put even a small picture of yourself up.)
But, after all that, I don't really care that much, to be honest. I do wish that people had the confidence to make videos/put pictures of themselves up, because as long as someone acts like themselves, they'll be cool or pretty or unique or whatever in a lot of people's eyes.
14. As women, I have heard the theory that we are supposed to support each other… ok, but no matter what? What does this statement even mean? If you are a woman and I am a woman I am supposed to back you up and support you no matter what you do? What if I see you are making an obvious mistake? What if you are plotting to kill children or cute little innocent bunnies? What if you are a thief or a liar? I am supposed to support that? Please explain this one to me because for the most part I think it’s just a cop-out statement, but please enlighten me if it is not.
I think it's weird that women are expected to always support each other, but I do think there's something to be said for simple kindness. I agree that you shouldn't support a child-killer, but I think it's overkill to completely tear apart someone because they can't apply eyeshadow correctly. Criticism is one thing, but pure meanness is another.
15. I have to wonder if you’ve never encountered critique or criticism in your lives because that must be quite a comfy, secure bubble you live in. Welcome to the real world. Successful people in the entertainment industry don’t whine and cry about people not liking them… they would never get anywhere if they let themselves be paralyzed by criticism.
I have been criticized before. And I can assure you that I don't live in a complete bubble...I've encountered hardship and loss and difficulties. I don't expect everyone to love me all of the time. But I am optimistic enough to believe that all people, at their core, are good. And I'm optimistic enough to think that, if people held their tongues once in a while, the world would be a bit of a nicer place.
(I'm talking more about meanness than constructive criticism, for what it's worth.)
16. You do know that by being here, reprimanding members and monitoring what is said here that you are no better than anybody else here, right?
I know. I will say, though, that I think it's weird when people spend literally hours online on a forum like this. I come online once in awhile to see what's being said about me, and have spent a bit more time on here today because I'm sick. But I think it's weird when I see people with hundreds of posts...it just seems like some people need a better hobby. (Try making youtube videos! They don't have to be beauty related. Or you could take up a sport, or start reading a series of books, or adopt a pet, or even get into a new tv series. There's just so much to do in this fantastic world that it seems silly to spend an hour a day spending it on here. But if you like it, more power to you
17. If you are an under aged youtube beauty gooroo do your parents know what you are doing?
Not really, but I'm sort of a unique case. My (single) mom travels a lot for business, so I'm on my own a ton. She knows that I make youtube videos about fashion and makeup, but I don't think she realizes how many subscribers I have. (Not that I have a ton, but I think she imagines 4 or 5 people watching my videos, which isn't accurate.) But, like I said, I have a lot more independence than most people my age (i.e., alone for a few weeks at a time, etc.). I think that if I were living in a house with both my parents, who were around a lot, I would probably be able to share more of what I was doing with them. (Also, I'm not 13 or 14...I'll be 18 fairly soon. So that probably affects things too.)
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