Why feature someone who isn't "professional" on E! Entertainment?

Some of you don't think she should call herself a professional. Saying her looks are sloppy, poorly blended, and even gross. I, myself, have mixed feelings but overall don't care since I appreciate most of her looks. The media is known to feature crazy and talentless individuals time and time again. Yet, if Michelle "has no talent or skill," why give her this type of coverage on T.V.?

Leesha [xsparkage] did it first, and better :/

Advertising, doesnt the media give coverage for ppl who advertise? Maybe there was an agreement where MP could do a short coverage on E! Plus the fact she got to be friendly with one of the E! ppl, I cannot remember who but someone will give the name. Maybe that lady's influence landed her a spot. Theres ways to be featured on the media. IDK why its a topic but ok...

Jeannie Mai. Shes a stylist for E! and she was featured in a the charity video with that eliot guy.

uglydolly wrote:Leesha [xsparkage] did it first, and better :/

Hi, could you stick to answering the question/focus on the discussion? Thank you.

I love me some Leesha 24/7 but I don't give a rat's ass who does what first.

@BlazikenBlade: Don't know why half of the things are discussed here like her hair, but people still do so anyways so why not? If what she does is so ordinary, why bother giving her exposure? Even with a stylist friend from the network, I doubt she would be featured anywhere if she had nothing to show for herself.

~EncantoIndividual wrote:
@BlazikenBlade: Don't know why half of the things are discussed here like her hair, but people still do so anyways so why not? If what she does is so ordinary, why bother giving her exposure? Even with a stylist friend from the network, I doubt she would be featured anywhere if she had nothing to show for herself.

Able to convince other people. I think thats Mps secret weapon, she has it more than anything & thats how she has been able to be so succesful. Its written proof on her xanga & some of the videos the way she applies herself is what makes it happen. People dont hear/see much of the negativity cause she will try to hide them, factual or fiction to a possible debate towards a factual scenario. Idk to be honest why shes able to get so much exposure from the beginning from her Youtube channel, tho I have to admit most of the xanga followers were a high amount. It can be also from having that lancome contract (opening so many doors) to having that personality that is presentable on live media or whatever the case maybe. Even to the point of paid advertising places, it can be done where I live in. U can simply buy urself a segment on a tv show just for urself or company to advertise like an infomercial. Maybe it was one of those? Idk much about USA media & their way of handling things.

ALL about appearance. Michelle just knows how to present herself. Doesnt mean she knows what she's doing. Appearance is key and it's been like that since they first invented "media"

~EncantoIndividual wrote:

Some of you don't think she should call herself a professional. Saying her looks are sloppy, poorly blended, and even gross. I, myself, have mixed feelings but overall don't care since I appreciate most of her looks. The media is known to feature crazy and talentless individuals time and time again. Yet, if Michelle "has no talent or skill," why give her this type of coverage on T.V.?

Because of Jeannie Mai, and her popularity. She is the most known guru on US. Over seas their beauty gurus have their own makeup lines, TV shows, they host TV programs, and they don't call themselves professionals.

Michelle claims she is professional yet on media appearances she does this like this : I think is pretty obvious its uneven and poorly applied.

SyniahYamazaki wrote:ALL about appearance. Michelle just knows how to present herself. Doesnt mean she knows what she's doing. Appearance is key and it's been like that since they first invented "media"

You put that very well.
I just think of it as some artist that dont know how to sing yet gets somewhere with being in your face with the way they look.
I think this is popular in some other countries that have groups of singing girls who just dance with mediocre singing and are there for their looks.

OMG I just thought of Beckii Cruel !!!!!!!

Well for me personally, the reason why I started out watching Michelle's videos rather than others, is because of the following factors:
1. Her presentation is very clear, as in step 1, 2, 3. Also pretty easy to follow for a beginner (IMO).
2. Her editing is good and she has interesting music. At the same time I also watched another guru's videos. While this guru (whom I shall not name because I don't want people to trash her) has much better techniques and her looks are more wearable, the way her video is made is just so annoying. She has no music, and very little editing, and you can hear all these distractions in the background. It's literally silent when she puts on make-up. It's just too boring to watch.
3. I actually like the combination of the voice-over and music in the earlier days. I also like her "old" voice. I used to play her videos like "Romantic Valentine" in the background while I'm studying. It's soothing to me.
4. She's pretty and honestly no one wants to watch an ugly chick putting on makeup.
5. I liked her DIY tutorials a lot, even they are not innovative (for example, I know about the aspirin mask from MUA a long time before I saw her video, but I still liked her video).
6. When people start to learn make-up, they tend to find the most popular person to learn. I've seen Michelle Phan being recommended to many starters who wants to learn how to put on basic make-up.

To me, it's the whole twitter business ruined her for me. But I still don't hate her, and I kinda understand why she's famous and some are not. She has very good presentation skills.

The same reasons Kristen Stewart wins awards for terrible monotone acting.

~EncantoIndividual wrote:
Some of you don't think she should call herself a professional. Saying her looks are sloppy, poorly blended, and even gross. I, myself, have mixed feelings but overall don't care since I appreciate most of her looks. The media is known to feature crazy and talentless individuals time and time again. Yet, if Michelle "has no talent or skill," why give her this type of coverage on T.V.?

I personally think MP has good reps, Lancome, JedRoot, and the CAA. I'm sure they find her the gigs, the photoshoots etc. Lancome reasons for choosing her probably had to do with, her age, her ethnicity, the number of viewers she had, and having a decent video editing style. Someone like MP would be easily promotable with little resistance for acceptance.

E! isn't exactly Oprah or Ellen. And perhaps E! thought if they had the #1 subscribed beauty vlogger on TV it would give them cred with a younger demographic. And it was for Halloween. And she already lives in L.A.

~EncantoIndividual wrote:

uglydolly wrote:Leesha [xsparkage] did it first, and better :/

Hi, could you stick to answering the question/focus on the discussion? Thank you.

I love me some Leesha 24/7 but I don't give a rat's ass who does what first.

@BlazikenBlade: Don't know why half of the things are discussed here like her hair, but people still do so anyways so why not? If what she does is so ordinary, why bother giving her exposure? Even with a stylist friend from the network, I doubt she would be featured anywhere if she had nothing to show for herself.

Wow jeez, sorry to offend you.
My post WAS related to the topic because it corresponds with being the same look
I was just pointing out that someone did a tutorial on it first. No need to be so rude/snippy about it :/
I personally think Leesha is much better than Michelle, so i posted her video for comparison, because they did the same look...
do you want me to avoid something and just discuss unprofessional people on E?
I don't regularly watch E, so I can't. Sorry I cant just outright answer your question because I don't watch tv :/

I personally have no problem with Michelle Phan. I'll admit that she does tutorials on some strange, out-there looks, (probably as a result of her background as a graphic artist) but it's better than seeing 20 variations of a neutral or smoky eye every month (*cough* Juicystar07 *cough*). Also, unlike a lot of other gurus, she is very upfront about the products that she uses. Most of the stuff in her tutorials is either from Lancome or IQQU. She makes it no secret that she has a contract with Lancome and that IQQU is her brand. Michelle seems friendy in her videos, while also maintaining an air of efficiency and professionalism. When I am looking for a makeup tutorial that is all business and no BS, I always go to her channel.

boomshockalocka wrote:I personally have no problem with Michelle Phan. I'll admit that she does tutorials on some strange, out-there looks, (probably as a result of her background as a graphic artist) but it's better than seeing 20 variations of a neutral or smoky eye every month (*cough* Juicystar07 *cough*). Also, unlike a lot of other gurus, she is very upfront about the products that she uses. Most of the stuff in her tutorials is either from Lancome or IQQU. She makes it no secret that she has a contract with Lancome and that IQQU is her brand. Michelle seems friendy in her videos, while also maintaining an air of efficiency and professionalism. When I am looking for a makeup tutorial that is all business and no BS, I always go to her channel.

THIS is a perfect example on how she presents herself well. She doesnt know how to do makeup at ALL however this person, who probably isnt a minion or anyone, just an average joe probably, says that her tutorials is all business and no BS.

Presentation is VERY much key. If you can present yourself well, you will get success.

boomshockalocka wrote:I personally have no problem with Michelle Phan. I'll admit that she does tutorials on some strange, out-there looks, (probably as a result of her background as a graphic artist) but it's better than seeing 20 variations of a neutral or smoky eye every month (*cough* Juicystar07 *cough*). Also, unlike a lot of other gurus, she is very upfront about the products that she uses. Most of the stuff in her tutorials is either from Lancome or IQQU. She makes it no secret that she has a contract with Lancome and that IQQU is her brand. Michelle seems friendy in her videos, while also maintaining an air of efficiency and professionalism. When I am looking for a makeup tutorial that is all business and no BS, I always go to her channel.

That was what I thought about her, then I found alot of things that she lied to us about. Have you read Michelle Phail tumblr yet ? I wish she is all of what you said. I was very disapointed, especially how she lied about IQQU to sell them to her young fans, that's not nice at all.

Dolly, don't worry about it. This is a public forum. It had to do with a look Michelle made. As long as it's about Michelle, you can say whatever you want. The OP is being bitchy, quite frankly. Don't say sorry when you didn't do anything wrong. I swear, some people on this forum are so frustrating.

About Michelle, I think E! doesn't give a crap about talent. She's popular, so she'll bring in ratings, which is more money. If teen girls like their channel, and they like Michelle, it works.

BumbleB wrote:Dolly, don't worry about it. This is a public forum. It had to do with a look Michelle made. As long as it's about Michelle, you can say whatever you want. The OP is being bitchy, quite frankly. Don't say sorry when you didn't do anything wrong. I swear, some people on this forum are so frustrating.

About Michelle, I think E! doesn't give a crap about talent. She's popular, so she'll bring in ratings, which is more money. If teen girls like their channel, and they like Michelle, it works.

Did I ask anything about who did the look first or who did it better? No. You wanna consider my reply to dolly bitchy/prissy/frustrating? Go right ahead. It's nothing personal against her, I was just irked.

Sorry but I don't understand the point you are trying to make encanto... On other media she does sloppy un even make up, and no she is not a professional, but she is the most subscribed guru on YT..does this mean she is a professional? No. does this mean she is good at make up? No. she just has a contract with a household name such as Lancome and they arrange such media exposures for her... Are you trying to say that because she was on TV this makes her "good?" or "professional" or better somehow? sorry I dont understand it. Specially when we see her sloppy make up everywhere.... You see all the exposure Paris Hilton gets... does this mean she signs good? Does this mean she is smart? Fame or popularity is not about talent these days.

Stop it! wrote:

boomshockalocka wrote:I personally have no problem with Michelle Phan. I'll admit that she does tutorials on some strange, out-there looks, (probably as a result of her background as a graphic artist) but it's better than seeing 20 variations of a neutral or smoky eye every month (*cough* Juicystar07 *cough*). Also, unlike a lot of other gurus, she is very upfront about the products that she uses. Most of the stuff in her tutorials is either from Lancome or IQQU. She makes it no secret that she has a contract with Lancome and that IQQU is her brand. Michelle seems friendy in her videos, while also maintaining an air of efficiency and professionalism. When I am looking for a makeup tutorial that is all business and no BS, I always go to her channel.

That was what I thought about her, then I found alot of things that she lied to us about. Have you read Michelle Phail tumblr yet ? I wish she is all of what you said. I was very disapointed, especially how she lied about IQQU to sell them to her young fans, that's not nice at all.

In what way did she lie? I'm not saying that you are lying. I've just never heard of any kind of controversy with Michelle. How did she lie about IQQU?

boomshockalocka wrote:

Stop it! wrote:

boomshockalocka wrote:I personally have no problem with Michelle Phan. I'll admit that she does tutorials on some strange, out-there looks, (probably as a result of her background as a graphic artist) but it's better than seeing 20 variations of a neutral or smoky eye every month (*cough* Juicystar07 *cough*). Also, unlike a lot of other gurus, she is very upfront about the products that she uses. Most of the stuff in her tutorials is either from Lancome or IQQU. She makes it no secret that she has a contract with Lancome and that IQQU is her brand. Michelle seems friendy in her videos, while also maintaining an air of efficiency and professionalism. When I am looking for a makeup tutorial that is all business and no BS, I always go to her channel.

That was what I thought about her, then I found alot of things that she lied to us about. Have you read Michelle Phail tumblr yet ? I wish she is all of what you said. I was very disapointed, especially how she lied about IQQU to sell them to her young fans, that's not nice at all.

In what way did she lie? I'm not saying that you are lying. I've just never heard of any kind of controversy with Michelle. How did she lie about IQQU?

She said it was FDA approved and it was on the website, when clearly it's NOT. Alot of products arent FDA approved of course but they give a WARNING of "This Product has not been approved by the FDA" or something like that. The fact she said it WAS is a lie.

boomshockalocka wrote:

Stop it! wrote:

boomshockalocka wrote:I personally have no problem with Michelle Phan. I'll admit that she does tutorials on some strange, out-there looks, (probably as a result of her background as a graphic artist) but it's better than seeing 20 variations of a neutral or smoky eye every month (*cough* Juicystar07 *cough*). Also, unlike a lot of other gurus, she is very upfront about the products that she uses. Most of the stuff in her tutorials is either from Lancome or IQQU. She makes it no secret that she has a contract with Lancome and that IQQU is her brand. Michelle seems friendy in her videos, while also maintaining an air of efficiency and professionalism. When I am looking for a makeup tutorial that is all business and no BS, I always go to her channel.

That was what I thought about her, then I found alot of things that she lied to us about. Have you read Michelle Phail tumblr yet ? I wish she is all of what you said. I was very disapointed, especially how she lied about IQQU to sell them to her young fans, that's not nice at all.

In what way did she lie? I'm not saying that you are lying. I've just never heard of any kind of controversy with Michelle. How did she lie about IQQU?

Enjoy: http://www.gurugossip.net/t1065p275-regarding-iqqu

Stiletto wrote:Sorry but I don't understand the point you are trying to make encanto... On other media she does sloppy un even make up, and no she is not a professional, but she is the most subscribed guru on YT..does this mean she is a professional? No. does this mean she is good at make up? No. she just has a contract with a household name such as Lancome and they arrange such media exposures for her... Are you trying to say that because she was on TV this makes her "good?" or "professional" or better somehow? sorry I dont understand it. Specially when we see her sloppy make up everywhere.... You see all the exposure Paris Hilton gets... does this mean she signs good? Does this mean she is smart? Fame or popularity is not about talent these days.

Paris Hilton cannot sing but she sure as hell is smart underneath those bimbo remarks that she makes. Through her antics, she still maintains herself as being "relevant."

I think the point I'm trying to make is that Michelle is good at multiple things, and it's not just advertising and "lying". And if she wasn't, where's the other stand out? Where's the next pretty girl who has video production and make-up skills good enough to be deemed passable and is just as popular?

boomshockalocka wrote:

Stop it! wrote:

boomshockalocka wrote:I personally have no problem with Michelle Phan. I'll admit that she does tutorials on some strange, out-there looks, (probably as a result of her background as a graphic artist) but it's better than seeing 20 variations of a neutral or smoky eye every month (*cough* Juicystar07 *cough*). Also, unlike a lot of other gurus, she is very upfront about the products that she uses. Most of the stuff in her tutorials is either from Lancome or IQQU. She makes it no secret that she has a contract with Lancome and that IQQU is her brand. Michelle seems friendy in her videos, while also maintaining an air of efficiency and professionalism. When I am looking for a makeup tutorial that is all business and no BS, I always go to her channel.

That was what I thought about her, then I found alot of things that she lied to us about. Have you read Michelle Phail tumblr yet ? I wish she is all of what you said. I was very disapointed, especially how she lied about IQQU to sell them to her young fans, that's not nice at all.

In what way did she lie? I'm not saying that you are lying. I've just never heard of any kind of controversy with Michelle. How did she lie about IQQU?

Are you a newcomer? you should take time to read the topic about IQQU we have on the topic list because there are solid evidences that she lied about her products are approved by USFDA with the proofs from USFDA.
I personally had very bad experience with how she ignored my cousin and I after we paid for the products. I can't tell you all on this topic, but please read the whole topic to get what @MeLu found out about her business that there are all proofs from the government posted on that topic.

She deletes all the negative reviews from purchasers and block them (I was blocked too) and only posted positive ones and the ones, while her products were rated for only 1.9% positive reviews that if you read Michelle Phail tumblr, there is evidences that she made fake accounts on MakeupAlley to defended herself. I followed her since '07 and thought she went through a poor childhood, she should know how hard young ppl can pay to support her products that she swore that was what she used to get flawless skin, then the truth came out her skin in the pics and vids are photoshopped and lighting tricked.

IQQU is only one of her many lies. Michelle can never answer about what posted on Michelle Phail tumblr, because they are the truth with proofs. The infomations came direct from her own twitter, FB and channel.

Please read the topic and see how she lied. I have the reasons to be on this forum after being a good fan of her for 3 years, it's hard to accept, but it's the truth. I wish she wasn't an untrustable person like this.

I personally watch her videos for fun. I like the combination of her voice and the music she uses. Some of her look and DIYs I like, so I try them out and get some new ideas (i.e. never knew how to do Barbie Halloween look nor a Bumble Bee look before; I also never knew how to apply on make-up before and learned a basic everyday routine from her Fresh 5 minute make up video, which I use everyday).

I don't have money so I don't get IQQU; frankly I don't get any products these gurus use because 1. I'm poor; 2. I'm not that interested in stocking up makeups; I just use what I have until it runs out.