CAN WE PLEASE STOP?

I understand, completely, what and how you guys are feeling with regards to Michelle. Once, far and long ago, I was a great fan of hers like most, if not, all of you. I understand the frustration and the disbelief. I mean, looks at us, we’ve become quite the angry ex-followers of hers. I suppose I know where this anger is coming from. Who wants to be misled, anyway?

I just have something to say. A plea. Can we please stop with the unnecessary remarks about her physical appearance or anything that has nothing to do with what she‘s claiming to be? It’s just all together juvenile. Okay, listen …calm down. Don’t roll your eyes at me. I can feel the defense mechanism working themselves into action already. Hear me out. I know all of you know what’s right and wrong. Perhaps all these cruel comments about her appearance are due to the anger we feel about her fake facade. Yes??! I mean, literally, how true can that statement be? But let’s backtrack a little. I think it’s okay to criticize her when there’s a need to. What I mean by this is when she claims to be/have something that she isn’t/doesn‘t. Example? I’d have to say her skin. I had this impression that her skin was just oh-so-lovely and glowing and radiant and and and …not! False advertisement. Is there a need to criticize her on that? I believe so. Why? Because she clearly made it seem like she did with her beauty/clear skin tips, not to mention photoshopped pictures.

Beyond her false claims though …is a different story. Example? It’s so insensitive to bring up her brother or whoever is NOT involved into her mess. Why would his look even matter? Let’s not be so vicious. You guys are baffled as to why she’s so defensive. Why?? Why wouldn’t she be defensive when some of the things said about her here is just downright so wrong and quite hurtful? Some of you might say that we made her what she is now, well, don’t be surprised if we someone spawn a monster.

Anyway, like I said …if she claims to be something she’s not (and you have proof) then by all means, call her out on it. It’s just excessive when someone starts saying things like her having elephant trunk-like-legs or her being a whore because she shows a hint of cleavage. Really? Is that really necessary? Call her a bit tasteless for doing that but a whore? Just for that? No. Uncalled for. Taking her jacket off or what-have-you in front of the camera with total boob cleavage showing? Ok, not classy, but I think she knew what she was doing. She was aware of it. I have a feeling most of the viewers knew what she was doing.

Let’s be level-headed. Behind that public figure is still a human being. Any criticism whether constructive or not, can destroy someone. A person can only take so much. ‘She’s a Public Figure, she should be able to take the criticisms’, some of you guys say. You’re right. Completely right. Listen, she’s young and still has a whole lot to learn. Don’t over-analyze everything she does. I think everyone deserve a little bit of breathing space. She’s clearly not the type who addresses issues head on. I think she’s much more sensitive than what she leads on. Very critical of even herself. I mean, who edits THAT much and deletes even constructive criticisms? Hello? I doubt she gets how obvious her insecurity/false bravado is when she’s all jolly with her ‘Hahahas’ and ‘I don’t care’ attitude. We all know it’s quite the opposite. She’s acting out of pure pride which is both good and bad. Defense wall up, bitch mode on.

How can she admit to any wrongdoings she might’ve committed if her first instinct is to fight back, first and foremost, attacks that can be just too personal? I’m not saying all we do is attack because we don‘t, but man, some people are just so vicious. Lol. Please don’t ask me for evidence. It’s here and there and yea, over there in this forum. And we all know, she reads our threads.

I don’t know about you, but the way to my noggin’ is through calm, logical reasoning. And if you’ve always been that way, awesome …continue. Iloveyou. Lol. Don’t we all agree? Get called a whore, fat, ugly and what would be your first instinct? I’d say fly and jump-kick the bitch while scratching her eyes out. Why wouldn’t she be any different? Because she a Public Figure? Oh please. We might as well be all Public Figures if we can do a better job than her. Just tone it down a little, guys. We’re all just frustrating ourselves and not getting anywhere with her. If she continues to be deny, deny, defend …then really, that’s on her. Weak character and sooner than later (perhaps later than sooner), no fan’s gonna be there to defend her.

Let's all group hug Michelle!

Ok, I'll be nice to Michelle.

fbghdb wrote:Let's all group hug Michelle!

I believe she needs it. Perhaps she wont want it from us. Lol.

I read your post and know you are a very kind-hearted girl, we are all MP-ex fans on this forum. I used to feel the same way you do when I first starting to dislike Michelle.
I'm don't point out anyone appearance but Michelle Phan, you would ask me why? Because she is who claimed to be sooo proud ofher "curves", her fat gain in the right places, she's proud of her "girls" (boobs) she claim her skin is flawkess cuz she invest her time and money using La Mer since she 8. She talks down ppl to make us believe her appearance is so perfect and sexy...

Bomsaway, if she just be humble and honest about her appearace, we would never discuss or call her out on it. If you read her answers to her fans on formsring, you would see how she lie even about her height, she told them she's 5'3", there are many of us are 5' tall or some even below, we all know she's 4'11", why did she have to lie like that? She describe her "sexy body" and bash skinny girls...then she clains she has confident and as long as you're confident, you'll feel SEXY blah blah blah...

Michelle brags that she uses IQQU so her skin is flawless, saying so then photoshop her pictures to sell IQQU to the young fans who believe she got the best skin in the world : OMG, Michelle, your skin is gorgoeus!!! Michelle, your skin is flawless...blah blah blah... and she accepts all the compliments like she really HAS FLAWLESS skin by using her IQQU products, don't you think that is lying and fooling ppl to sell her stuffs?

About her legs, she kind of compared hers with Lady Gaga legs and made fun of skinny girls' legs, and that was why the comments start! (You should read the article on Michelle Phail tumblr)There's always something that started by her for us to have the discussions, the lie about her painting and how she fought with her fans is an example, she started it, didn't she.

I DON'T say judging her body is good, but she started it. When she stops, we'll stop. Cool deal? I'm sorry but I woulsdn't llet her lie to her fans withou calling her out, and that's what I'm in this forum for. She knows that we will call out when she lies, but does she stop fooling her minions? NO, right?

^That formspring account is a FAKE.

From what I'm reading, Stop it!, it all comes down to validation. She's trying to hide her insecurity through self-assurance about her looks. Does that make sense? Sometimes I feel like I’m just writing gibberish. Lol. We sometimes tell ourselves that we’re fine, we look fine …etc, don’t we? That’s normal. I might add, healthy. That’s what she’s trying to put out there, somehow. I think she already has that mindset of being attacked from the get-go, hence the need to always be defensive even if it‘s not necessary to be. If we were to talk about her legs, my only say in that topic is this: She mostly sticks with head shots. I think that’s saying a lot.

Like I said, it’s open topic if the claims are false. However, it’d be fantastic we leave everything that has nothing to do with her claims, out of it. If we were just to argue in a cool-headed, logical manner, we’d get somewhere. I doubt her fans would automatically believe in what we’re saying when here and there, Michelle is called a certain name (for example). I’d be more defensive of her, really. Wouldn’t you be?

Anyway, I find nothing wrong with what you’re saying. My point is just for us to be less vicious and argue in a constructive manner because in the end, she’s going to be the one that looks bad if she keeps running away from the issues she should be addressing.

Bombsaway wrote:

fbghdb wrote:Let's all group hug Michelle!

I believe she needs it. Perhaps she wont want it from us. Lol.

She can't block us in person so she'll have no choice hahhahaa

Ahahaha. I'm imagining a hilarious scene. *Running towards her, she'll transform into one of her video game characters and then pewpewpew, we're attacked by fireballs or what have you.

Okay, anyway ...

I just had to say my piece. I hope noone takes it personal. It's just a general observation.

Girls, sorry for the all the typo cuz I was "SUPER EXCITED" when I was writing my post. I just wish allnthe new members and guests read all the articles on the tumblr to understand us more. About me, I HATE LIARS! I really don't agree with many ppl when they say everyone lies, cuz I don't, I don't understand why she has to makeup her lies from the scatch, not the kind of lies to sace her life when someonre is poiting a gun to her head. She call her lies "white lies", does she know what white lie means? It the kind of lies you say when you try to be polite, if someone you meet at a party ask you hwow you think her dress look? you answer her : Oh, it looks nice, while in your mind you think it looks like shit!

Or if MP asks me :How do you think my boyfriend look? and I say : Oh he's nice and handsome! (This answer is a "WHITE LINER LIE". LMAO!!!) while I turn away and barf....

Her lies are not white lies, she said she was sick IN BED so she decided to paint. Painting needs time to prepare for someone who didn't paint for over a year or two to gather all the stuffs and color ready to paint that art, but she posted it on her FB in no time. Nobody pushed her that she had to paint and post it now, so her goddamn lie is planned for,as she was on the computer and saw that art, she fooled with it and see it could be change by her "artist computer skills" to be her "sketch". and so that "I PAINTED IT" art was posted. She knows our members are very smart and skillful, they have excellent skill of investigate and and find evidences, why did she "try again" all the time?

Those are the examples that I tried my best to explain to you why we talk about her, and for the screenshots, we needs proofs, that's why we got to have all the evidences direct from her FB, twitter and channel, we have to have her own words to backup what we're calling her out, so everything that posted on the forum is so true, even Michelle can't debate a word about all the things that are written on the tumblr..

I don't know why she has to do that, and she lies VERY OFTEN.

YUCK! wrote:^That formspring account is a FAKE.

I think it's real, Carl Choi has one too. If it's fake, we would have heard from her screaming out about it already, just like when someone made a fake channel under her name, she jumped on Bubz and accused her so her fans attacted Bubz, remember? I know how she answers her fans so i'm positive it's real.

^^ Nope the formspring acount is fake.

Also i completely agree with Bombsaway, like many of you guys myself included i don't support michelle phan's channel anymore, but there really is no need to call her a whore, fat, judging her family and personal life etc.. I know she's the one who put herself out there, and that she should have anticipated that other people aren't going to like what you do, and that's fine, to each his own. I don't know about many of you guys on this forum but it's becoming really hateful and mean. Like Bombsaway is saying maybe tone it down some of the comments a bit?.

I agree with you on this one bombsaway, I think some people had crossed the line with names calling.

I personally don't care about her appearances, her love life or about her family. My main concerns are about her lies and dishonesty to her young fans. People wouldn't be on her case 24/7 if she were actually a honest humble person. Unfortunately, she is not what she perceives to be and therefore people will always find flaws in her. No matter how hard she tries to be this perfect person, she had already lost majority of her true fans. In my eyes, she is a con artist rather then a makeup artist.

Youtuber wrote:^^ Nope the formspring acount is fake.

Also i completely agree with Bombsaway, like many of you guys myself included i don't support michelle phan's channel anymore, but there really is no need to call her a whore, fat, judging her family and personal life etc.. I know she's the one who put herself out there, and that she should have anticipated that other people aren't going to like what you do, and that's fine, to each his own. I don't know about many of you guys on this forum but it's becoming really hateful and mean. Like Bombsaway is saying maybe tone it down some of the comments a bit?.

Ok, if you guys think it's fake, I don't follow her anymore so I don't really care but a friend of my neighbor asked her a question and she answered so that girl thinks it's real.

About how we talk on the forum, we discussed about this many times, but we have freedome for venting out the feeling, when Michelle gets her fan attack us, does she stop them from cursing at us, calling us whole bunch of fat, ugly, losers...does she ever get on her comment board and soften them down? YES or NO? She even got the dumb bitch Xiaxue wrote a real nasty article with rape wish on us and called us all kind of names, Michelle Phan posted the link on her FB to encourage her fans to read that blog's article, said it's fun to read, do you know about that?

It depends on how Michelle behaves toward us, we all know that she sics her fan to say the nastiest things toward us on her comment board, so I would not feel bad to curse the shit out of her when she directs her fans to do that to us.

Again, if the bitch stops, I'll stop! I know you meant well, but how can we be nice to someone like Michelle, she doesn't personally call us in nasty names, but sic her fans doing that even make me hate on her more. She's coward and want to play an angel but I know she's the leader of devils, you know what I mean?

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BitchPLZ wrote:Lol I joined the forum when it was still in its earlier stages of development, when there weren't specific sections for the individual gurus. Anyways, I found this forum when I was still a fan of hers, but noticed something off about her. I think I googled "Michelle Phan lies" or something and voila! It was shocking when I discovered all her lies o_o

I found this forum too while Googling the topics of all her controversies...

I saw people talking about it on someone's YouTube page, and I had to ask and they sent me the Michelle Phail Tumblr page, then I ended up here somehow, but that was like a month or 2 ago. (I'm a little late on signing up haha) but that Tumblr page and this site really helped me open my eyes about her. Very glad I didn't get sucked into her minion category!

Stop it! wrote:

Youtuber wrote:^^ Nope the formspring acount is fake.

Also i completely agree with Bombsaway, like many of you guys myself included i don't support michelle phan's channel anymore, but there really is no need to call her a whore, fat, judging her family and personal life etc.. I know she's the one who put herself out there, and that she should have anticipated that other people aren't going to like what you do, and that's fine, to each his own. I don't know about many of you guys on this forum but it's becoming really hateful and mean. Like Bombsaway is saying maybe tone it down some of the comments a bit?.

Ok, if you guys think it's fake, I don't follow her anymore so I don't really care but a friend of my neighbor asked her a question and she answered so that girl thinks it's real.

About how we talk on the forum, we discussed about this many times, but we have freedome for venting out the feeling, when Michelle gets her fan attack us, does she stop them from cursing at us, calling us whole bunch of fat, ugly, losers...does she ever get on her comment board and soften them down? YES or NO? She even got the dumb bitch Xiaxue wrote a real nasty article with rape wish on us and called us all kind of names, Michelle Phan posted the link on her FB to encourage her fans to read that blog's article, said it's fun to read, do you know about that?

It depends on how Michelle behaves toward us, we all know that she sics her fan to say the nastiest things toward us on her comment board, so I would not feel bad to curse the shit out of her when she directs her fans to do that to us.

Again, if the bitch stops, I'll stop! I know you meant well, but how can we be nice to someone like Michelle, she doesn't personally call us in nasty names, but sic her fans doing that even make me hate on her more. She's coward and want to play an angel but I know she's the leader of devils, you know what I mean?

There's nothing wrong with venting out our frustrations. I think I sorta did that with this thread. But there's a way to better to relay any message across than just plain cursing or bashing each other. I think we all can agree when I say more people will listen to calm reasoning than absolute mayhem of a comment. Of course people are going to be hot-headed when all they hear are attacks.

I didn't get a chance to read about that particular FB posts she did on Xiaxue. Can I differentiate something though? Xiaxue and Michelle do not have similar personalities. Xiaxue is quite the frank girl. Balls out type of girl. Michelle isn't. Michelle's the cautious type. Polite(?) mannerism. With Xiaxue ...to me, that's just how she is. I'm not saying some of the things she says are right, I'm just saying what you see is what you get with her. I find that if there was something she needed to be apologetic for, she'd have no problem apologizing for it. She might be vain but at least she admits it. She admits she photoshops her pictures, she admits she had eye lids surgery, etc., you know? I don't get that with Michelle. I think that's our problem with her. I get a fake facade. All's right in Michelle's World.

With regards to her fans? I think she relies on them, heavily, for support. That's why she roots them on no matter how poor they're behaving because she can't handle the issues herself. We don't necessarily have to stoop to their level, do we? Anyway, I don't wanna sound like a broken record. Clearly, some of us are still agreeing to disagree.

The formspring is definitely fake. If it wasn't, she would advertise for it all over the place. Plus, some of the answers are SO ridiculous and contradictory. Read the thread about her formspring and look at the screenshots.

Also, i agree with this thread. You're not going to get anywhere calling her terrible names, nit picking every move she makes in her life. The point of this is to spead the word, and try to stop innocent people from being caught up in lies. Minions are, (as someone else already mentioned), only going to defend her more if the posts/threads they see on here are in bad taste.

Claims should only be logical and civilized.

I agree completely with you. Her lies, her so-called "profession", her nasty treatment of loyal fans, that's all game. I think her love life is somewhat relevant, since celebrities do get their own gossip columns, and I think Michelle is an internet celebrity. IQQU, Lancome, her artwork, criticize away. She has control over those things.

The thread about Michelle's smile was just too much.

I think the OP makes a good point.

The post about her smile (No offence to anyone!!!) seems a little too much , it makes us look like a bunch of catty girls/guys and it makes us look less serious which in turn makes our claims less serious, like we are just bashing because we are jealous of her. Which is really not true. We are here because we dislike and condemn her dishonesty towards fans, her attitude, and her lies that are badly influencing her followers. Proving what she does so no more girls are affected, and start putting kitty litter on their faces and buying cancerogenous IQQU :S.

I understand what the OP is trying to say. If it is something she lies about and it is deceiving people (Like saying she was poor, a gamer , fake charities and contests/ being a professional MUA and so on ) I understand why they would comment it/post it, or about her fashion since she gives fashion advice, or even her love life since its part of gossip and she DID NOT make it private and includes it on her videos.., I even understand why the comments on her skin since she DEICEIVES PEOPLE that her IQQU line is a blessing and it is clearly not!

Overall I enjoy this forum a lot , the users here are all very nice, and funny I hope the Michelle Phail Tumblr gets updated with new stuff that way it is easier to share, and to reveal her lies and cheats to people still blind.

*sorry for the double post* Also I find her "artwork" post important since it is another obvious proof that she deceives people makes them think pieces are all hers, copies others, and does not give credit to them. Which obviously gives us a glance into her credibility as a person and "artist".

papayan wrote:I agree completely with you. Her lies, her so-called "profession", her nasty treatment of loyal fans, that's all game. I think her love life is somewhat relevant, since celebrities do get their own gossip columns, and I think Michelle is an internet celebrity. IQQU, Lancome, her artwork, criticize away. She has control over those things.

The thread about Michelle's smile was just too much.

I think so just as well.
That was literally uncalled for.

I very much agree with this post

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